evadale raceway saturday may 8th

[lsvtechatch]

Who all is going? i plan on going i may have to work saturday but will be there as soon as im off! gonna go try to run some 12s

[Andrew]

12's ftw!!!! Game on!!!:vtec::vtec:

[NBPacuraTL]

I'll be there to spectate and record. At least that's the plan

[7.3Lover]

how interesting clint and me may have to check it out

[projectcivicjp]

what time is everyone heading out there?

[seth]

if your making 600 whp shouldnt you be alot faster then 12s?

[mikessex]

if your making 600 whp shouldnt you be alot faster then 12s?

we all run 12.9@110 regardless of claimed HP or actual timeslips that show otherwise

wanna race?

[Twinky]

ive wanted to see what a stock 330i could do in the 1/4 mile, but ill be in houston that night.

[seth]

we all run 12.9@110 regardless of claimed or actual timeslips that show otherwise

wanna race?

lol

[Andrew]

if your making 600 whp shouldnt you be alot faster then 12s?

Front Wheel Drive + Street tires.. 12's sounds about right. :D

[seth]

gah seems like 600whp rwd car runs deep into the tens? why put so much money in front wheel drive cars then? im not hatin at all lol im just curious

[Pushrod346]

gah seems like 600whp rwd car runs deep into the tens? why put so much money in front wheel drive cars then? im not hatin at all lol im just curious

They were not being serious with the 12 second pass comment. A 600whp car that only weighs 2200lbs has the capability to run in the 9's at 140mph+, regardless of what wheels are doing the shoving.

Good luck Marcus. You have more staying power than I could ever come up with. :)

[Andrew]

They were not being serious with the 12 second pass comment.

This. :D

Lol

The interwebs is not to be taken literally all the time. :)

[Pushrod346]

This. :D

Lol

The interwebs is not to be taken literally all the time. :)

I figured it was best to clear it up for him as soon as possible after the "Trip to Mexico?" thread. :p

[seth]

lmao. i have no drag strip exp. so i literally had no idea. thanks for clearing that up lol.

[Pushrod346]

lmao. i have no drag strip exp. so i literally had no idea. thanks for clearing that up lol.

No problem dude. All of us had to learn this shit at some point in our lives lol.

However, if you ever do go to the drag strip. Make sure you get someone to give you the FULL run down on what you need to do or you'll end up making an ass out of yourself.

[seth]

lol im not gonna run my mouth and say shit i have no idea about haha but i would like to go sometime soon.

[lsvtechatch]

They were not being serious with the 12 second pass comment. A 600whp car that only weighs 2200lbs has the capability to run in the 9's at 140mph+, regardless of what wheels are doing the shoving.

Good luck Marcus. You have more staying power than I could ever come up with. :)

casey come to the track this weekend :thumbsup:

[mikessex]

They were not being serious with the 12 second pass comment. A 600whp car that only weighs 2200lbs has the capability to run in the 9's at 140mph+, regardless of what wheels are doing the shoving.

Good luck Marcus. You have more staying power than I could ever come up with. :)

Marcus' car probably weighs 2400-2500 with driver. To get that car to 2200 while going down the track, he would have to take a lot of stuff out of it. That being said, 600WHP in his car is enough to run 9's. We 9.8@148 with a similar weight car with only 589WHP.

I'm not sure if he has slicks, but I think he has some Mickey T radials that will stick a lot more than regular all-season tires.

[Divineslasher]

If I can come up with some gas money I'll go.

[projectcivicjp]

I'll definitely be there. Marcus said he's gonna be running 24.5" slicks

[mikessex]

I'll definitely be there. Marcus said he's gonna be running 24.5" slicks

cool deal that should be perfect for his setup. Hopefully they are the MH24.5X9.5-13's on some 13X10" wheels:thumbsup:

[projectcivicjp]

cool deal that should be perfect for his setup. Hopefully they are the MH24.5X9.5-13's on some 13X10" wheels:thumbsup:

thought the same thing too!I dont doubt it. hes running a 15x8

Glad to see yall getting along Mike. it makes this forum so much more enjoyable. Just wanted to let you know that!

[IDriveABaseRSX]

thought the same thing too!I dont doubt it. hes running a 15x8

Glad to see yall getting along Mike. it makes this forum so much more enjoyable. Just wanted to let you know that!

Yeah i am glad their getting along now. But we need more drama! Mike project said he could rape you in a foot race :D

[mikessex]

Yeah i am glad their getting along now. But we need more drama! Mike project said he could rape you in a foot race :D

LOL after beating Phillip in a foot race I have more inspiration! I should start running to have better cardiovascular health (and be able to take out more people in foot races:rotfl: )

[IDriveABaseRSX]

You bringin your car out to evadale sat mike?

[engineman02]

lets see the unicorn kill your buddies disgustang.... unicorn FTW!!!!!

[mikessex]

You bringin your car out to evadale sat mike?

yeah I plan on bringing my white teg out there to see she does. I wanted a white DC2 ever since my buddy Josh Weeks' teg got stolen back in '99, and it's cool now to actually have one to drive around. It aint the fastest thing in the world, but it sure is fun to drive around:vtec:

[IDriveABaseRSX]

I thought the teg was matts car or does he have something else.

[mikessex]

I thought the teg was matts car or does he have something else.

the white teg is mine now

he has a green EG with a D series vitara piston/eagle rod combo with a 57 trim

[alchemist117]

we all run 12.9@110 regardless of claimed HP or actual timeslips that show otherwise

wanna race?

yes sir yes i do lol

[mikessex]

yes sir yes i do lol

cool deal, my goal is to run 12.9 or quicker at any trap speed:rotfl:

[iheartJDM]

may go run my new motor just to see where it stands before the snail.

[stillmatick]

hey engineman...do you live off of langham in beaumont?

[alchemist117]

cool deal, my goal is to run 12.9 or quicker at any trap speed:rotfl:

well i has a bike so ill keep my front wheel down and i wanna meet up on high way to much power for me from dead stop

[mikessex]

hey engineman...do you live off of langham in beaumont?

you probably see him going to my place which is right around the corner from langham

[stillmatick]

seen a yellow crx parked in a house by my place...

[NBPacuraTL]

So what time is everyone going tomorrow?

[mikessex]

I'll be there as early as I can get there (hoping for around 1pm) in this:
http://i42.tinypic.com/15xrdkn.jpg

[pooprajoe]

mike if your down for a rematch we can do the dam thing....

[projectcivicjp]

Meeting campos and Marcus at Chinese Buffet PL in Vidor off Hwy 105 if y'all wanna come! Call me 409 291 6776. J.P.

[Sluggish]

Any results yet?

[iheartJDM]

andrew and i headed out there about 2. just got home within the last hour, my car didnt have much to brag about.. its pretty much stock and i couldnt find traction with my -5" camber.
i only ran 3 passes and called it quits.

im sure he'll post his outcome later.

[NBPacuraTL]

andrew and i headed out there about 2. just got home within the last hour, my car didnt have much to brag about.. its pretty much stock and i couldnt find traction with my -5" camber.
i only ran 3 passes and called it quits.

im sure he'll post his outcome later.

so times?

[mikessex]

I went 12.9@104 after getting used to driving a heavier car down the track. Had to rethink my launching strategy to get into the 12's lol. I broke an axle on one burnout and had to go back to my pit area to change it out real fast before getting more runs in. I'm really happy with the car, mostly because the motor has stayed together. I have put a WHOLE lot of abuse on this motor, driving like a race car everywhere I have gone on the street, and really beating the shit out of it at the track. I'm very happy with Caffey's machine work, as I got them to resize the big end of the rods and bore out my block to fit the pistons.

And as for Phillip, he simply can't read. I already posted what his chance at having a rematch with me are. He has wasted too much of my time with his slow POS cars and his out-of-shape self (since he did call me out for a foot race and lost). If he really wants to race, he knows where/when to find me.

[Divineslasher]

/topic

[Sluggish]

Did Marcus run?

[lsvtechatch]

Did Marcus run?

yes ben i did... on pump gas i went 11.50 @ 124 hitting boost cut at 7 grand in 3rd and 4th having to shift really early :(.....

i then put the race gas in it and then boost cut was worse i ended up going 11.40 @ 99 mph hitting the brakes... I tried playing with the boost control and data logging the runs.. after playing with it i got it to boost less but still hit boost cut b/c i didnt adjust it enough yet (trial and error)... i made a pass and hit boost cut right before the 1/8 mile and went 104 in the 1/8 and shifted to 4th bogged then went through the 1/4 @ 130 hitting boost cut around 8k ...

I readjusted everything again went down the track missed second like a mother :(... once again hit boost cut right before the 1/8 in third gear and still went 109 in the 1/8 mile but only went 11.8 @127 b/c of stupid boost cut in 4th....

At the track i had to just play with it... there are only two spots its hitting boost cut now... in 3rd around 8 and in 4th around 8 i readjusted it again but was not able to run it again due one end of my fuel rail coming loose....(the threads on the intake manifold are stripped somehow :/)

Im gonna fix the fuel rail the right way and make some pulls on the street and get it to where it dont over boost and go back to the track... As far as the pump gas tune goes im gonna try to change out the springs in the wastegate and see if i can get it to hold around 14 to 15 psi that way i can rev it through the entire powerband.... I think once all the bugs are worked out of the car it will do what i want it to... the 1/8 mile trap while hitting boost cut tells me that :)....

[trollin]

109 in the 1/8th = win. 104 in the 1/4 = fail

[Pushrod346]

109mph in the 1/8 is carrying the mail. You should have no problem running a 9.x at 140+. :)

And what the hell is "boost cut"? Is that something the car is commanding or is it some type of mechanical failure? (aka boost leak, wastegate not holding, etc)

[Andrew]

109mph in the 1/8 is carrying the mail. You should have no problem running a 9.x at 140+. :)

And what the hell is "boost cut"? Is that something the car is commanding or is it some type of mechanical failure? (aka boost leak, wastegate not holding, etc)

basically a fuel cut when you make too much boost. The car falls on its face.:thumbsdown:

[mikessex]

109mph in the 1/8 is carrying the mail. You should have no problem running a 9.x at 140+. :)

And what the hell is "boost cut"? Is that something the car is commanding or is it some type of mechanical failure? (aka boost leak, wastegate not holding, etc)

boost cut is enabled to keep the car from overboosting. Let's say the MAP sensor will read up to 30 lb just fine, but the fuel system can't dump enough fuel.... so it would lean out if the motor boosts that high. So what we can do is set the car up so it prevents the boost from exceeding a certain level so the motor is safe. This is a big reason we should always run really big injectors (so that the injectors can handle the fuel demands of higher boost) just in case weird shit happens.

[GODZILLA]

hey there is no need for racism

[mikessex]

lol wtf

so anyways, in for vids. the only vid I have is basically a sound clip, as I put my cel on record while doing a burnout and making a pass down the track.

[lsvtechatch]

on my car my issue isnt that i am going over a certian boost level where i dont have enough fuel... My car was tuned on 24.5 psi and made 604 whp on the dyno it hit exactly 24.5 psi... On pump gas i was tuned at 15.5 psi which it held fine on the dyno and made 445 to 460 depending on pull... now my problem is when on the street it is wanting to hit 18 psi on pump gas... I have a 46mm wastegate which should be plenty big but somehow or another i am having a problem with it wanting to boost at least 3 psi more on the street than it did on dyno... I am going to try a few things to fix this... Now on race gas it is obviously gonna do the same thing but i run a higher boost level so i can now adjust it by trial and error by turning down the boost levels in my tuning program... EX. in 3rd and 4th gear it was set to 23.5 psi i hit boost cut at 6k rpms on my 11.40 run so i shifted and fell out of boost... my boost cut is set that if i hit 26psi it basicaly pulls fuel and timing like hitting a wall and car falls on its face.... so i adjusted it down to 20.5 in those gear and then hit right at 25 psi in most the powerband in 3rd and 4th but around 8k it hit 26psi therefore hitting boost cut :(... its something im just gonna have to play with until it does what i want it to.... i data logged one pass and i got up to 110 before the 1/8 mile hit boost cut and went through the 1/8 at 104 you can see where i was at 110 hit boost cut then slowed down and then shifted into fourth b/c of boost cut and went through the 1/8 then proceeded to the 1/4 @127 hitting boost cut in 4th...

[mikessex]

on my car my issue isnt that i am going over a certian boost level where i dont have enough fuel... My car was tuned on 24.5 psi and made 604 whp on the dyno it hit exactly 24.5 psi... On pump gas i was tuned at 15.5 psi which it held fine on the dyno and made 445 to 460 depending on pull... now my problem is when on the street it is wanting to hit 18 psi on pump gas... I have a 46mm wastegate which should be plenty big but somehow or another i am having a problem with it wanting to boost at least 3 psi more on the street than it did on dyno... I am going to try a few things to fix this... Now on race gas it is obviously gonna do the same thing but i run a higher boost level so i can now adjust it by trial and error by turning down the boost levels in my tuning program... EX. in 3rd and 4th gear it was set to 23.5 psi i hit boost cut at 6k rpms on my 11.40 run so i shifted and fell out of boost... my boost cut is set that if i hit 26psi it basicaly pulls fuel and timing like hitting a wall and car falls on its face.... so i adjusted it down to 20.5 in those gear and then hit right at 25 psi in most the powerband in 3rd and 4th but around 8k it hit 26psi therefore hitting boost cut :(... its something im just gonna have to play with until it does what i want it to.... i data logged one pass and i got up to 110 before the 1/8 mile hit boost cut and went through the 1/8 at 104 you can see where i was at 110 hit boost cut then slowed down and then shifted into fourth b/c of boost cut and went through the 1/8 then proceeded to the 1/4 @127 hitting boost cut in 4th...

at least the good thing about it is that the turbo builds up boost better while moving on the street than on the dyno. you probably have a fatter powerband at the track than theh dyno:thumbsup:

[lsvtechatch]

at least the good thing about it is that the turbo builds up boost better while moving on the street than on the dyno. you probably have a fatter powerband at the track than theh dyno:thumbsup:

i just need to get the car lined out i know it has the potential to run goot times

[Sluggish]

Was it tuned on a loaded dyno?

[lsvtechatch]

Was it tuned on a loaded dyno?

tuned on a dynojet

[Sluggish]

So it wasn't loaded, that is why your making more boost on the street. Take it to Triangle speed shop and get it dialed in on their mustang dyno, don't worry about the numbers you get back from it because they will be a lot lower. It cost me like 150 bucks for like 2 hours.

[lsvtechatch]

So it wasn't loaded, that is why your making more boost on the street. Take it to Triangle speed shop and get it dialed in on their mustang dyno, don't worry about the numbers you get back from it because they will be a lot lower. It cost me like 150 bucks for like 2 hours.

i may go do that this week... wanna come?

[Sluggish]

Maybe if I'm not working. They said it was cool if I wanted to have Casey tune on my car using their dyno since they didn't know much about tuning Chevy's. I'm sure the same goes with Hondas. Plus they are still making a little cash. You will have to call them and to find out a time you can use it.

[lsvtechatch]

Maybe if I'm not working. They said it was cool if I wanted to have Casey tune on my car using their dyno since they didn't know much about tuning Chevy's. I'm sure the same goes with Hondas. Plus they are still making a little cash. You will have to call them and to find out a time you can use it.

ill call tomorrow and try to schedule something... when are you off.. i work monday through friday and sometimes saturdays till about 6

[IDriveABaseRSX]

What Andrew mentioned was the reason your boost is spiking that high is because comparing dyno to street your hittin a lot lower iats on the street. While on the dyno only that small fan is ramming air into your turbo but on the street your turbo is being force fed alot colder air. Turn the boost down on the street. Itll still probably creep up to your desired boost lvl.

[lsvtechatch]

What Andrew mentioned was the reason your boost is spiking that high is because comparing dyno to street your hittin a lot lower iats on the street. While on the dyno only that small fan is ramming air into your turbo but on the street your turbo is being force fed alot colder air. Turn the boost down on the street. Itll still probably creep up to your desired boost lvl.

its on 0 on pump gas

[lsvtechatch]

Your tuner doesn't drive it on the street after he tunes it to make sure everything is in order? WTF are you messing around with the tune for anyways, you just spent how much to have someone who is supposed to know what he's doing to still have a fucked up car? Fix the problems you need to fix, take it to someone who knows what they are doing, and leave the tuning to the pros...im not messing with the actual tune lol... and my car is not fucked up ha ha... and My tuner is one of the most competent tuner in the united states lmao.... wow:mynameisben:

[lsvtechatch]

Why assume it's the tune? Maybe you should stick to your DSM and let the Honda boys talk amongst themselves.

hes right tony sucks at tuning:rotfl:

[Sluggish]

Did he drive it on the street after tuning?

It doesn't matter how great a tuner is if the don't put in full effort. Red Alert is probably thinking its the tune because Marcus said it was the boost cut which is controlled by the tune.

[tehcodeman]

He didn't for me. But I'm blown, and not pushing any more than 10 psi.

[Sluggish]

What Andrew mentioned was the reason your boost is spiking that high is because comparing dyno to street your hittin a lot lower iats on the street. While on the dyno only that small fan is ramming air into your turbo but on the street your turbo is being force fed alot colder air. Turn the boost down on the street. Itll still probably creep up to your desired boost lvl.

The iat isn't going to affect the boost like putting a load on the car. My car in 1st gear will usually only build around 10-12lbs. It will make full boost in the rest of the gears.

[lsvtechatch]

Did he drive it on the street after tuning?

It doesn't matter how great a tuner is if the don't put in full effort. Red Alert is probably thinking its the tune because Marcus said it was the boost cut which is controlled by the tune.

no he dont drive the cars on the street... he tunes 3 to 5 cars a week and im sure breaking laws and hauling ass would net a few tickets which would add up very quickly... he knows what he is doing... and is willing to help out with problems he has great custom support :)

[lsvtechatch]

when i have some time i WILL get the creep issues fixed and the car WILL go faster :)

[projectcivicjp]

Why assume it's the tune? Maybe you should stick to your DSM and let the Honda boys talk amongst themselves.

Agreed! Marcus, call Me when you decide to go to Triangle Speed. I know the guy that owns the shop. I'll come up there with you. I'm right down the road

[lsvtechatch]

Agreed! Marcus, call Me when you decide to go to Triangle Speed. I know the guy that owns the shop. I'll come up there with you. I'm right down the road

ok sounds good maybe you can get me a hook up on dyno time i figured 1 to 2 hours would be sufficient and i will by my gas from them


you got vids from yesterday?

[mikessex]

OMG, seriously dude....

Tony Palo doesn't know what he's doing? You need to do your research. Tony could tune the pants of anyone in the country. There's no match.

Tony is definitely great at what he does, but that doesn't mean everyone else is just shit at tuning. What about all the other guys that do great jobs at tuning? Right now Tony isn't even the top guy out there in his class. You guys that think nobody else can tune are just plain living in some fantasy land. I have seen many others tune cars that haven't had this problem. If you think about it, the tune is simply how much fuel and timing the motor has at any given condition. I just don't think the tune is off. What I do think could be happening is that the front facing turbo causes the turbo to spool up a little bit differently while moving at high speeds compared to sitting still on the dyno with a little fan blowing into it. Also, the way Hondata controls the boost may have a bug in it. If I was Marcus, one of the first steps to troubleshoot would be to put a manual boost controller on that thing, set at about 20 lb, to see what the car does going down the street/track.

As for IAT's, yeah there is a correction factor for them. It is possible a difference in IAT could cause this to happen, but I honestly don't think that is the issue.

And as for saying Marcus car is not tuned properly because it wasn't tuned on a "load-bearing dyno" is simply bullshit. The dynojet also presents a load to the car. I have put cars on both dynojet and mustang dyno and they both were great tuning tools to get the cars tuned. Sluggish, you may know a little bit about tuning, but I'm pretty sure T1 knows just a wee bit more than you lol. There is another issue, other than the way the dyno loads up, as to why Marcus' car is overboosting. First thing I recommend is limit the problem to the actual setup itself and not the boost controller. Put a manual boost controller on it. Marcus, where are you getting the boost signal for the boost controller? Doesn't Hondata use the MAP sensor? How about the signals to actuate the wastegate?

[tehcodeman]

Tony is definitely great at what he does, but that doesn't mean everyone else is just shit at tuning. What about all the other guys that do great jobs at tuning? Right now Tony isn't even the top guy out there in his class. You guys that think nobody else can tune are just plain living in some fantasy land.?

Wow, I think I might have come off as a huge T1 fanboy (which I am :)). But there's Jeff Evans, Secret Services, and many other places out there that I'd be happy to let tune my car. I never meant to discredit anyone else. However, I can guarantee that Tony has tuned more blown K20's than any other professional tuner in the country. So that's why I went straight to him. Well that and he's 20 mins away, lol.

[Andrew]

I just don't think the tune is off. What I do think could be happening is that the front facing turbo causes the turbo to spool up a little bit differently while moving at high speeds compared to sitting still on the dyno with a little fan blowing into it.

This is what I was thinking.
Where Arjay got his IAT idea was not from me.
He maybe misunderstood. Just wanted to clear that up. :D

[tehcodeman]

Ask the guy that just got his turbo kit done on his 8th gen civic from SSA how his car is running now.

Again, I never meant to discredit anyone else. I never said Tony was the one and only tuner people should go to. But I really don't see anyone else out there tuning cars the caliber that Tony is. I don't know....maybe he's just better at marketing his services, lol. Plus he knows his shit. Motec, Neptune, K-pro, Flashpro....you name it, he does it (aside from piggyback crap that he refuses to touch).

And if you mean Chris, who has the new Secret Services kit with the air to water IC, then yeah I talk to him a bit on 8thcivic.com. Why, what's up with his car? He's supposed to be picking it up soon.

[tehcodeman]

I already gave you a list of tuners that get similar or better results than Tony does at the track lol. You just have to pay attention to drag racing results to know who does what. I'm hoping to see Tony bring back the record to Texas this year in his class, but he is going to have to put up a fight to overtake the other guys.

Tony's car runs on Motec. I'm tuned on FlashPro. Whether he wins or loses at the track doesn't affect the quality of the tune on my car.

But yeah, there's some stiff competition out there.

[mikessex]

Tony's car runs on Motec. I'm tuned on FlashPro. Whether he wins or loses at the track doesn't affect the quality of the tune on my car.

But yeah, there's some stiff competition out there.

Tony gets a huge chunk of his business because of his great results at the track. Other than track results, it's very hard for someone to figure out who can tune and who can't. If you look at some "tuners" around here, they simply post stuff on the internet with very little or no track results from their own work. You have to wonder what is really going on. I will always stick to my premise that track results are one of the big clues to knowing who can tune. Also, a long-standing history of cars that haul ass on the street shows who the tuners are. But street racing is bad:rotfl:

[Sluggish]

Other than track results, it's very hard for someone to figure out who can tune and who can't. If you look at some "tuners" around here, they simply post stuff on the internet with very little or no track results from their own work. You have to wonder what is really going on. I will always stick to my premise that track results are one of the big clues to knowing who can tune. Also, a long-standing history of cars that haul ass on the street shows who the tuners are. But street racing is bad:rotfl:

I agree with this. In the LSx world it seems to pretty common for a tuner to throw a car on the dyno get a good hp number and send it on it's way. They make their money whether they spend 30 minutes or all day. Changing the cam is a basic mod that takes some time to get the tune dialed in to get the drivability good. They blame the cam on how crappy the car will drive because they are to lazy to fix it, and most people except it because they have no idea what the changed in the tune. I say this because it happen to me a long time ago, and I have seen it happen to a lot of other people.

Drivability, reliability and track/street results are what make a great tuner in my opinion.

[mikessex]

pic I found online

http://www.texasborderlinephotography.com/Evadale-Raceway-2010-Season/Evadale-GTR-Track-Appreciation/LAT2820/861930049_56263-M-1.jpg

[mikesrex]

:thumbsup:

Too many people get caught up in the dyno numbers game, best way to see the power it makes it to put it on the track...

yep, this is why I'm happy posting up a dyno sheet that shows 213 WHP on my teg along with my 12.9 timeslips. I'd much rather be running 12's with 213 WHP than running 13-14 sec passes with "250 WHP" in the same car. A claimed power level is always backed up by timeslips at the track along with vehicle weight.

and damnit I'm still scratching my head on Marcus' boost controller. I want to see what happens if we were to put a manual boost controller on it just set at 23-24 lb. I dunno why, but my gut feeling seems to suggest that Hondata is having trouble controlling it. The manifold design is A+, wastegate is huge, I just can't think of any other reason it would overboost.

[tehcodeman]

OMG. I've been to T1 twice. Once to get tuned and once to pick up some parts. They're cool guys and did a great job with my car. And when you have the most knowledgeable people on CRSX and 8thcivic (K20 forums) singing T1's praises, then yeah, I'm going to go with T1. The same goes for Jeff Evans for those who live up north.

I'm not infatuated with them. And I'm not starstruck. Tony is cool guy and an awesome tuner. That's it. Even Marcus agrees, lol.

And you're one to talk about being starstruck (and nuthugging). My god, sometimes we wonder if you're in love with Huy.

[lsvtechatch]

i can promise you tony is willing to help me out... . hence data logging and sending it to him... somethings just need to be adjusted on the track... alot of people tune at the track but this option just was not available for me so it is just gonna take a little more time to datalog send it to him and shape things up

[campos]

I went ahead and locked it, too far off topic...

[Lenn]

^ and cause you ride a Hog. ;)

Sorry, I'll shut up now.