First Hydrogen Supercar

[JustaSloWgn]

The new car, now in pre-production, is called the “Scorpion,” and the Ronn Motors(of Austin, Texas) plans for it to be available to consumers this fall. The hydrogen delivery system with dual computer processor controls produces hydrogen on demand, and in real time, which will be inducted through the air intake manifold and blended with gasoline at a ratio of 30-40 percent hydrogen, according to Maxwell. The fuel for this system is derived from fracturing water molecules drawn from a small on board water tank, and will not require a high pressure, on board hydrogen storage tank or hydrogen fueling station." It does 0-60 in 3.5 second and still get 40mpg.

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http://gas2.org/2008/06/04/company-unveils-hydrogen-hybrid-supercar-available-fall-2008/

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[Matticus]

ATX :P

Thats a pretty good looking car. But, 40mpg is pretty weak though.

[JustaSloWgn]

for.. a supercar? that produces its own hydrogen O_o

[Twinky]

well, shouldnt this technology be present in a more economic vehicle? something the everyday person could afford? if everybody's so uptight about fuel usage these days, why waste the technology on a supercar if its only gonna get 40 mpg when a civic with that fuel system could get at least twice that?

it is a badass car though.

[JustaSloWgn]

sooner or later it will happen..its just not soon enough.

[Twinky]

then why are they wasting our time on this bs? they have the technology, put it to use asap. take that system, put it in a civic and replace it with a twin supercharged V14.

[JustaSloWgn]

then why are they wasting our time on this bs? they have the technology, put it to use asap. take that system, put it in a civic and replace it with a twin supercharged V14.

opec prolly, can u guess how much money they will lose if gas cuts back to 1-2dollars a gallon?

[Twinky]

while water is still only 69 cents a gallon?

[mikesrex]

I'm not convinced that this idea of getting hydrogen gas on demand by electrolyzing water will work in a vehicle.

Skoodles and people with similar intelligence levels need not ready beyond this point in the post.

In this process, you will convert a certain amount of mechanical energy to electrical energy which will then be used to electrolyze the water. Then you will reverse the reaction, using the energy released back into mechanical energy (and mostly heat energy)

so the problem is that every time you do something, some energy is lost in the form of heat. So you recover more energy than you use. That would mean a net loss in usable energy occurs.

Now there is only one thing that might make this work. Let's say something in the way everything works with the extra hydrogen and oxygen causes the engine to be more efficient, then the whole concept may indeed work. I doubt it would work, though.

[JustaSloWgn]

i dont see why they would make false claims

[mikesrex]

i dont see why they would make false claims

me either. I'm pretty sure something has got to be going on to make the thing work, but what is it? The energy you get out of the combustion of hydrogen is just as much as it takes to electrolyze it. Since you lose a lot of energy to heat, the system seems to be a parasite on the motor.

Honestly I think a Honda V6 motor in a lightweight car like that could get 40 mpg without any type of "help" at all.

[Twinky]

well this is technically a hybrid car. i believe the gas part of the system fuels the technology to electrolyze the water. it would take less hydrogen to run the engine than it would gas. so the gas fuels the electrolyzing part, while the product of the electrolyzing part fuels the engine.

[mikesrex]

well this is technically a hybrid car. i believe the gas part of the system fuels the technology to electrolyze the water. it would take less hydrogen to run the engine than it would gas. so the gas fuels the electrolyzing part, while the product of the electrolyzing part fuels the engine.

I don't think you understand what I'm saying.

[Matticus]

well this is technically a hybrid car. i believe the gas part of the system fuels the technology to electrolyze the water. it would take less hydrogen to run the engine than it would gas. so the gas fuels the electrolyzing part, while the product of the electrolyzing part fuels the engine.

That is nowhere close to what Mike is talking about. :banghead:




Hydrogen doesn't make this vehicle any more efficient than if it ran completely off of gas. As Mike said, a Honda Accord v6 in a small frame like that would damn near get the same gas mileage. What is the point of the hydrogen? If the car ran off of water or if it got 200mpg then this would be a bad ass invention. However, I am willing to bet the only people that will buy this thing are the fags that call the Toyota Prius a "green" vehicle.

I call this thing a good looking fail. I say throw a lsx in it. :thumbsup:

[mikesrex]

That is nowhere close to what Mike is talking about. :banghead:




Hydrogen doesn't make this vehicle any more efficient than if it ran completely off of gas. As Mike said, a Honda Accord v6 in a small frame like that would damn near get the same gas mileage. What is the point of the hydrogen? If the car ran off of water or if it got 200mpg then this would be a bad ass invention. However, I am willing to bet the only people that will buy this thing are the fags that call the Toyota Prius a "green" vehicle.

I call this thing a good looking fail. I say throw a lsx in it. :thumbsup:

I'm not trying to hate on new ideas, but I seriously doubt there is any way that the hydrogen will change the dynamics of the combustion event in such a way the engine efficiency will increase enough to make up for the loss of power needed to electrolyze water.

[Native]

well, shouldnt this technology be present in a more economic vehicle? something the everyday person could afford? if everybody's so uptight about fuel usage these days, why waste the technology on a supercar if its only gonna get 40 mpg when a civic with that fuel system could get at least twice that?

it is a badass car though.

just to let you guys know this is nothing new. they have home made kits that cost 30 - 50 bucks that can go on any car... the only thing is that u have to refill the tank when it is running low. There is a guy up here in stl. that has a kit on his saturn and he proclaims that it gets about 70 mpg. But i think a super car that gets 40 mpg is a step up. did they tell you what hp the engine puts out?

mike i understand what your talking about, its more of a light weight car vs the mpg. thats why the old 86 crx got about 50 mpg because there werent any of these saftey additions to cars. Weight is the real enemy. but then again i think if you add the system to a v6 accord, it would still achieve a better gas mileage.

[mikesrex]

mike i understand what your talking about, its more of a light weight car vs the mpg.

What I'm saying is that I believe the system hurts gas mileage. I'd like to see the reasoning that shows how this helps.

[EGwhite]

I'm not convinced that this idea of getting hydrogen gas on demand by electrolyzing water will work in a vehicle.

Skoodles and people with similar intelligence levels need not ready beyond this point in the post.

In this process, you will convert a certain amount of mechanical energy to electrical energy which will then be used to electrolyze the water. Then you will reverse the reaction, using the energy released back into mechanical energy (and mostly heat energy)

so the problem is that every time you do something, some energy is lost in the form of heat. So you recover more energy than you use. That would mean a net loss in usable energy occurs.

Now there is only one thing that might make this work. Let's say something in the way everything works with the extra hydrogen and oxygen causes the engine to be more efficient, then the whole concept may indeed work. I doubt it would work, though.

:thinker::confused: im a lil dizzy headed from reading that...i dont even care to understand