What do you guys think would be a good, cheap track car.

[Mark]

Miatas may come to mind first but I want to go with something different. This may be something that happens in the future. I would like to get a shell, put in motor.... blah blah blah.


What suggestions do you guys have, I have a good idea of what I think would do great but I want to hear your suggestions first.

I don't want to get too specific because I want to hear all ideas.

[jeremys14]

s13. its rwd, you can make enough power in many ways, its cheap, parts are everywhere, you can setup for track and not drift. i guess thats my nissan biased opinion though. miata is the first thing that comes to mind. you could also go 86 corolla, but parts are harder to get, and it would need some power upgrades that put it into at least the 200hp range.

[Skoodles]

Miatas may come to mind first but I want to go with something different. This may be something that happens in the future. I would like to get a shell, put in motor.... blah blah blah.


What suggestions do you guys have, I have a good idea of what I think would do great but I want to hear your suggestions first.

I don't want to get too specific because I want to hear all ideas.

does it have to be rwd?

I'd say vw bus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SW8CmgcfmE

[Mark]

s13. its rwd, you can make enough power in many ways, its cheap, parts are everywhere, you can setup for track and not drift. i guess thats my nissan biased opinion though. miata is the first thing that comes to mind. you could also go 86 corolla, but parts are harder to get, and it would need some power upgrades that put it into at least the 200hp range.


actually what Matt and I have been talking about is an S14. I knew you would chime in with a 240 comment. :D

[Mark]

does it have to be rwd?

I'd say vw bus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SW8CmgcfmE


yeah I have seen that before. That thing is bad ass!

And yes I would prefer RWD but open to FWD suggestions.

[jeremys14]

it seems better to have two wheels steering and two wheels driving, instead of two wheel doing it all. an s14 would be nice, a little heavier, and little more expensive. i was just thinking s13 because of cost and abundance of parts.

[Skoodles]

crx seems to good choice if you have good suspension. they are REALLY light. so it doesnt take much to push them around the track.

[projectcivicjp]

have yall ever seen that vid. its a little old but its a K20 hatch just blazing through a bunch of b-series powered cars on the track like they are just standing still?

[jeremys14]

crx seems to good choice if you have good suspension. they are REALLY light. so it doesnt take much to push them around the track.

weight isn't the only thing that makes a good track car. its the distribution of the weight that counts. a pinto is light, and even with power it would suck at a track

[projectcivicjp]

yea no shit!

[pooprajoe]

why go rwd when you can go awd, I'd say 1st gen dsm, hella cheap to find a shell and parts are everywhere and even cheap new, perfect for a track car can run low 11s with probably the same amount you'd spend on a sr20 and a few mods.

[Native]

ive done my share of ff hard driving and i tell you what an ff isnt as fun as a stock 1986 sr5 corolla. That car is probably the slowest car i have ever driven but it has been the most fun so far.. lol.

an 86 would be a good track car. the only thing is parts are scarce unless you buy all aftermarket parts. technotoytuning.com has some good suspension parts for the 86.

i think the 86 would be a tighter car in the corners then a s13, due to a shorter wheel base. and also there is a power issue you will only get 130 hp out of the gts motors, and the 20 valve toyota motor will only get you 160 hp stock. The aftermarket is good for these cars its just hard to find a good pirce. And its hard to find a good shell to start with. If you plan on swaping a motor u can find shells from 400 to 800 bucks.... even if you buy an sr5 shell you can put all gts parts on the car. the chassis is the same.

but if you want a cheap and easy track beater then im with jeremy. Get you a s13 - cheap, parts, and you can find another shell if you wreck it... lol.

[silvrbreez]

i've seen guys run the old porsche 944s out there. i also used to have a buddy that ran a 1st gen rx7 too. both can usually be had for cheap and are different than what most guys go far.

[Mark]

lots of good suggestions that I would have never thought of. I guess one reason I would like to have an S14 is because at a viper and supra event at MSR in Houston, one of the only cars that passed me was a 240. It really took me by suprise!

[jeremys14]

i know a few s14 that do track courses.

[Native]

lots of good suggestions that I would have never thought of. I guess one reason I would like to have an S14 is because at a viper and supra event at MSR in Houston, one of the only cars that passed me was a 240. It really took me by suprise!

well arent we kinda cocky lol.

jk

[Matticus]

I think a 240 track whore would be badass. Hopefully the site will continue to grow and we can build a USI sponsored car :thumbsup:

[pooprajoe]

yall wanna sponsor my 240sx, should be up in like 2-3 months.

[Matticus]

We are planning to have a fast car though :D

[Native]

We are planning to have a fast car though :D

Burn

[Mark]

well arent we kinda cocky lol.

jk

yeah that did sound kind of cocky.

It be da truf dough, ax Matticus.

[Mark]

i've seen guys run the old porsche 944s out there. i also used to have a buddy that ran a 1st gen rx7 too. both can usually be had for cheap and are different than what most guys go far.


Yeah I have seen several of the 944's out there. Seems to be a great track car!

[Native]

yeah that did sound kind of cocky.

It be da truf dough, ax Matticus.

haha

[pooprajoe]

We are planning to have a fast car though :D


very funny emo, just wait, it'll prob be the only 240sx running around seeing how the 240sx crowd is down longer then a dsm.

[jeremys14]

http://www.funnyforumpics.com/forums/I-dont-understand-what-your-saying/2/Understand-Horse.jpg (http://www.funnyforumpics.com)

[PocaFocus]

very funny emo, just wait, it'll prob be the only 240sx running around seeing how the 240sx crowd is down longer then a dsm.

you kill threads sir.

[mikesrex]

lol at everyone suggesting the types of cars that they have owned.

Mark you should find an Izuzu Impulse RS and build it. you could pwn people while they are wondering wtf it is. turbo AWD izuzu lol

[jeremys14]

even if i didn't own a 240, i would still suggest it. its a good cheap fr platform. i would obviously say miata first.

[Mark]

How do you think a k series ek hatch will perform on the track?

[mikesrex]

How do you think a k series ek hatch will perform on the track?

i think you would be faster with a B series dollar for dollar.

IMO the cheapest way to go, if you want to try out a honda, is to build a B series for a CRX. Like I have said in the past, a CRX with a naturally aspirated 240 WHP with supporting mods would be really fun to drive around the track.

[Mark]

the main reason I was saying ek hatch was for looks. But the CRX idea does not sound that bad.

[jeremys14]

i think you would be faster with a B series dollar for dollar.

IMO the cheapest way to go, if you want to try out a honda, is to build a B series for a CRX. Like I have said in the past, a CRX with a naturally aspirated 240 WHP with supporting mods would be really fun to drive around the track.

wrd

[JustaSloWgn]

a h22 midengine integra imo rofl

[Mark]

What about an MR2. It may not be the cheapest but what do you guys think about the possible performance?

[Ryan]

lol at everyone suggesting the types of cars that they have owned.

Mark you should find an Izuzu Impulse RS and build it. you could pwn people while they are wondering wtf it is. turbo AWD izuzu lol

Was this the izuzu with the "Handling by Lotus" badge? I remember changing out a set of tires on one of these at DTC in Beaumont a few years back.

[chaser]

What about an MR2. It may not be the cheapest but what do you guys think about the possible performance?

I'm with mark... You could buy a MR-S (2000 - 2005) that weights 2085 and completely gut it and either drop in a Celica GT-S motor or a K series Honda motor and it would absolutley fly around a track.

Plus its mid-engine and RWD which is hella-fun to drive!!

I would either go with the MR-S or a Miata due to weight and RWD options.

[jeremys14]

wouldn't it be a pain in the ass to put a fwd motor in the rwd platform?

[projectcivicjp]

I would think so lol

[chaser]

no not really. All thats needed is to fab up some motor mounts in most cases. The mr-s is pretty much the same thing as a fwd setup except in the back of the car instead of the front.

The 2zz (celica gts) swap is very common, and the k series swap is getting more and more popular.

There's a guy in Houston who will do the 2zz swap for under $4k now and thats turn key install good for 210 horses in a 2000 pound rwd car....

[Native]

lol at everyone suggesting the types of cars that they have owned.

Mark you should find an Izuzu Impulse RS and build it. you could pwn people while they are wondering wtf it is. turbo AWD izuzu lol

i think you would be faster with a B series dollar for dollar.

IMO the cheapest way to go, if you want to try out a honda, is to build a B series for a CRX. Like I have said in the past, a CRX with a naturally aspirated 240 WHP with supporting mods would be really fun to drive around the track.

mike your eating your own words. lol.

[Native]

I'm with mark... You could buy a MR-S (2000 - 2005) that weights 2085 and completely gut it and either drop in a Celica GT-S motor or a K series Honda motor and it would absolutley fly around a track.

Plus its mid-engine and RWD which is hella-fun to drive!!

I would either go with the MR-S or a Miata due to weight and RWD options.

mid-engine for the fail... you got to be smooth with that car, too much brakin the rear will come out. On the other hand the miata is a pretty good track car. but you can make any car a good track car.

i wanted to road race my ff honda for the longest, ended up sellin that car. so dont know what will happen to it.. lol

[beckertb]

I think you should look into getting one of the Daytona prototype cars. Look like they would be fun for a closed cockpit car (See--I even used the work cock to get you excited)

http://images.circletrack.com/chassistech/ctrp_0609_01_z+aerodynamic_drag+daytona_prototype_ car.jpg

[Mark]

I think you should look into getting one of the Daytona prototype cars. Look like they would be fun for a closed cockpit car (See--I even used the work cock to get you excited)

http://images.circletrack.com/chassistech/ctrp_0609_01_z+aerodynamic_drag+daytona_prototype_ car.jpg


your a fag. How about you just let me beat on the NSX around the track!!

[Twinky]

how bout a rwd miata? they make em, and theyve done pretty good in auto-x before.

[Mark]

:thinker: I think all miatas are RWD :confused:

[Twinky]

i dont think so, i think some of the earlier ones were fwd. i could be wrong tho, its happened once before

[Native]

hell man get the atom. 30k

1400 lbs with a 300 hp supercharged vtec motor :vtec:

[Mark]

hell man get the atom. 30k

1400 lbs with a 300 hp supercharged vtec motor :vtec:


Is it only 30k for the one with that motor?

I would not want to do that anyways because you cannot have an open wheeled car at most DE's.

[Native]

ah didnt know that

and yeah its only 30k.

[Native]

i hear for the us customers buying an arial atom the powerplant is goin to be the ecotec 2.0 lt. motor by GM..... Caveman should like that.

[Mark]

i hear for the us customers buying an arial atom the powerplant is goin to be the ecotec 2.0 lt. motor by GM..... Caveman should like that.


yeah I think I heard that too.

A miata may be a good choice though. I can pick one up for dirt and start tracking it immediately. The mods can come a little at a time.

[EP3GJM]

Before I post my opinion on this. Let me remind everyone, MOST of this forums' suggestions have good merits and some drawbacks. Of course there are both strong supporters of Nissan and Honda represented on this forum. Personaly I support Honda. Honda seems to overcome the competition in grassroots motorsports despite their "alleged" front wheel drive disability. A few inexpensive older vehicles that came to my mind where; Nissan 200sx,Sentra SE-R spec V, Honda CRX (or generic older Honda Civic), older Mazda RX-7, 3rd Gen Toyota Supra, and Datsun 510. If money is not as much of a constraint; Honda Fit, Early model S2000, AWD anything...ect.ect

my 2 cents.

[Native]

Before I post my opinion on this. Let me remind everyone, MOST of this forums' suggestions have good merits and some drawbacks. Of course there are both strong supporters of Nissan and Honda represented on this forum. Personaly I support Honda. Honda seems to overcome the competition in grassroots motorsports despite their "alleged" front wheel drive disability. A few inexpensive older vehicles that came to my mind where; Nissan 200sx,Sentra SE-R spec V, Honda CRX (or generic older Honda Civic), older Mazda RX-7, 3rd Gen Toyota Supra, and Datsun 510. If money is not as much of a constraint; Honda Fit, Early model S2000, AWD anything...ect.ect

my 2 cents.

most awd cars are expensive. not to mention you would have to put it on an extreme diet before you take it out to race on a track. An r32 would be nice for a track beast though lol.

to tell you the truth mark i think your s2k should be your track car, and you should pimp a daily.

[Mark]

to tell you the truth mark i think your s2k should be your track car, and you should pimp a daily.


Yeah I have thought about that... I'm talking about an all out gutted no A/C track car though. I just can't imagine having a car that I have paid nearly 30k for and gut it to make a dedicated track car.

One of the main reasons for a track only car is to put giant USimports.org stickers down it to help promote the forum. I just can't justify doing that to my baby.

[Mark]

A miata would be great because I can get a spec miata with a cage and usually many other goodies for about 8-10k. I can buy that and race it that weekend if I wanted to.

....And if I ever got bored with it I could always modify it more to suit my progression. 75-100 extra whp on a 2200-2000lb car means :vtec:

[Native]

very true. I would still buy the cheapest car i could get my hands on RWD and change the suspension geometries to see what happens as you lay the shock down instead of up right.... and maybe fab up a rocker hinge for a laydown shock setup lol. the only miata of its kind haha.

just to experiment with suspension.

[mikesrex]

mike your eating your own words. lol.

no I'm not. If you carefully read the thread, you will notice that Mark asked about a K series in an EK Hatch. Then I provided my opinion on that setup, noting that a B series will outperform the K, dollar for dollar. I didn't suggest using a Honda, Mark just asked about the possibilities.

I suggested the Impulse RS.

[garage_fresh]

What type of track car you want? Auto-X, Circuit, Drag, Drift?

[Native]

I was just saying you gave a suggestion that he would be better off dollar for dollar getting a B series crx. Correct me if im wrong (and i dont mean to start shit), but dont you have a b series crx?

[EP3GJM]

most awd cars are expensive. not to mention you would have to put it on an extreme diet before you take it out to race on a track. An r32 would be nice for a track beast though lol.

to tell you the truth mark i think your s2k should be your track car, and you should pimp a daily.

If you would have read my entire post you would have noticed that i said an AWD car would be a little more expensive.(It truly helps to read all posts in there entirety).

[Native]

If you would have read my entire post you would have noticed that i said an AWD car would be a little more expensive.(It truly helps to read all posts in there entirety).

I did read it all. i was just mentioning it because he is lookin for an inexpensive track beater.

[Matticus]

I'm pretty sure we are going to build a miata. Although they don't look bad ass and most aren't very quick, I know enough about building cars to get away with most anything :)

This is in the distant future. We are just trying to plan ahead on what we want.

[mikesrex]

I'm pretty sure we are going to build a miata. Although they don't look bad ass and most aren't very quick, I know enough about building cars to get away with most anything :)

This is in the distant future. We are just trying to plan ahead on what we want.

turbo miata!!!!

do it!

[Matticus]

turbo miata!!!!

do it!

Yea, our thought is to stick with a momentum car that isn't very fast for the time being. This will give me the opportunity to grow and not handicap myself with a super fast car or an awd.

Mark should be instructor status pretty soon. IMO its prolly a good car to start out with.

[garage_fresh]

Since it's pretty much an open topic....maybe a 96 Sentra SE-R with FF SR20. Really perky car. Another route you could go is a Miata w/ ITB's.

[Native]

Since it's pretty much an open topic....maybe a 96 Sentra SE-R with FF SR20. Really perky car. Another route you could go is a Miata w/ ITB's.

i like the itbs part haha it will scare the pants off some people at the track. haha. if you just goin na with mild power. haha

[BigJohnson]

240 sx

http://houston.craigslist.org/car/738837343.html

Miata

http://houston.craigslist.org/car/741106053.html

^^^ You could talk them down.

[Mark]

240 sx

http://houston.craigslist.org/car/738837343.html

Miata

http://houston.craigslist.org/car/741106053.html

^^^ You could talk them down.


Thanks for looking out! I'm not ready right this moment to buy though. House > Me right now. :D

[_Brad]

s chassis > miata

miata's break everything making over 180-200whp.
miata's look gay because they are gay
miata parts are madly over priced i/e 25 dollar fuel filters (stock shit)
miata parts are a bitch to come by as most places have to order them (even oreilly)
miata's dont have as much after market support as you would think.
miata engine bays are god awful small

s chassis is unlimited chassis
s chassis has a bullit proof rear end
s chassis are a dime a dozen
s chassis just plain OWNS the rwd category in terms of practicality

if you want something badass just get a FC chassis and do an ls1 or sr20 swap =] guaranteed track ownership :pedobear:

[Matticus]

s chassis > miata

miata's break everything making over 180-200whp.
miata's look gay because they are gay
miata parts are madly over priced i/e 25 dollar fuel filters (stock shit)
miata parts are a bitch to come by as most places have to order them (even oreilly)
miata's dont have as much after market support as you would think.
miata engine bays are god awful small

s chassis is unlimited chassis
s chassis has a bullit proof rear end
s chassis are a dime a dozen
s chassis just plain OWNS the rwd category in terms of practicality

if you want something badass just get a FC chassis and do an ls1 or sr20 swap =] guaranteed track ownership :pedobear:

We aren't really opposed to getting an s chassis. I hate the wiring in those cars. Its too damn brittle. I will just make a wiring harness for it. :) LOL

[_Brad]

i wouldnt run stock wiring on any car that im going to be that demanding on. painless race car chassis harness and fuse panel. fuck 15-20 year old wiring.

[Matticus]

I think Nissan wiring gets brittle a little faster than Honder. The harnesses in my 14y/o integra are still pretty solid.

[_Brad]

I think Nissan wiring gets brittle a little faster than Honder. The harnesses in my 14y/o integra are still pretty solid.

what do you mean by brittle. i never had any wiring issues on my s14 but all my 89-91 240's where of course old. look at any obd0 honda and see if the wiring is still fresh. just depends on the prev owners. honda guys are usually better with general upkeep etc

[anonymous]

i dont think so, i think some of the earlier ones were fwd. i could be wrong tho, its happened once before

WTF? Miatas have ALWAYS been RWD!!
Learn FACTS before you post!

[_Brad]

fail thread is fail....

[bubblescivic]

epic fail thread is epic fail....

:catfight:

[chenslee]

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2008/10/Team_Schwing_494.jpg


http://jalopnik.com/5065698/24-hours-of-lemons-texas-winner-team-schwing-toyota-corolla-fx16

[GODZILLA]

imo your best track car is the best balanced car and also a lower horsepower naturally aspirated like 190 to 200whp is great car for quicker acceleration out of the corners.....i was watching a touge video the other night and a 190 horsepower MRS with a celica 2zz
engine was owning 300+whp 240s....just my 2 cents

[_Brad]

bmw 325i is one i would consider. easy to find them for cheap for a decent one and they are quite like hondas in the lego car category. very balanced cars.

[jeremys14]

imo your best track car is the best balanced car and also a lower horsepower naturally aspirated like 190 to 200whp is great car for quicker acceleration out of the corners.....i was watching a touge video the other night and a 190 horsepower MRS with a celica 2zz
engine was owning 300+whp 240s....just my 2 cents

you should save your 2 cents until you have something to say that i worth more. jk. i'd probably go mr2 over mrs

[Twinky]

WTF? Miatas have ALWAYS been RWD!!
Learn FACTS before you post!

hey, douchnozzle. stfu. i said i could be wrong. forgive me for not being so far up the butt of mazda i know the specs of every one of there faggy little 2 seater convertibles. the only guys ive ever known that have owned one (besides you when you had one) liked it up the butt from other dudes. but seriously, my fuckin bad. i wasnt sure.

damn, i never knew someone could get so damn butthurt about someone being wrong about a fucking miata.

[DeViouS Tuning]

I would go Dodge Neon. 99' year range. They have a strong motor and parts are easy to find. Not to mention the engine have quite a bit of room for improvement. Depends on what all you are looking to do as far as motor mods. Are we talking all motor, fi, supercharger??? I know a neon is FWD but they are strongly built cars. Thanks my 2 cents.

[Mark]

Not sure what mods would be on the car. Lately I have been thinking about just picking up a Ridgeline to daily drive and use the S2k as a weekend/track car. Trying to decide whether or not I should have a car note again. :eek:

[DeViouS Tuning]

Man you can pick up a Neon up for super cheap and drive the s2k. In the end even with all the mods done you still would save money rather then buying a Ridgeline. Although I have to say they are nice looking. I would put that "car note" into car parts.

[garage_fresh]

I concur...if anything pick up a mid 90s honda/acura to daily or track and do opposite of that with s2000

[Mark]

well the only problem with that is I have be daily driving an S2k for several years now(I am on my 2nd one). I am at a point in my life where I need a larger vehicle so I may have to go that route.

[DeViouS Tuning]

well the only problem with that is I have be daily driving an S2k for several years now(I am on my 2nd one). I am at a point in my life where I need a larger vehicle so I may have to go that route.

Mark you got any kids??? If not then I would suggest sticking with the 2seater.

[GODZILLA]

you should save your 2 cents until you have something to say that i worth more. jk. i'd probably go mr2 over mrs

yeah the Mr2 is a great car ....

[GODZILLA]

I would go Dodge Neon. 99' year range. They have a strong motor and parts are easy to find. Not to mention the engine have quite a bit of room for improvement. Depends on what all you are looking to do as far as motor mods. Are we talking all motor, fi, supercharger??? I know a neon is FWD but they are strongly built cars. Thanks my 2 cents.

Honestly go with a car with better aftermarket options than a neon unless you swapped a srt4 motor in like a 2 neon now that would be pretty cool

[GODZILLA]

I would go Dodge Neon. 99' year range. They have a strong motor and parts are easy to find. Not to mention the engine have quite a bit of room for improvement. Depends on what all you are looking to do as far as motor mods. Are we talking all motor, fi, supercharger??? I know a neon is FWD but they are strongly built cars. Thanks my 2 cents.

Honestly go with a car with better aftermarket options than a neon unless you swapped a srt4 motor in like a 2 door neon now that would be pretty cool

[GODZILLA]

sorry for the double post

[DeViouS Tuning]

Honestly go with a car with better aftermarket options than a neon unless you swapped a srt4 motor in like a 2 door neon now that would be pretty cool

I am not sure what this means, but ummm, there are so many aftermarket mods for a neon it is redonkulus. The mods are available you just have to know what you are looking for. You wouldn't have to do a swap.

[campos]

no matter what you do to it, its still a neon...neon ftl

[campos]

my suggestion would be a datsun 510, nissan 240sx, or rx7 hatch....all can be found for under $1000 and have unlimited motor swaps and aftermarket support.

[Twinky]

a 510 would be badass. i remember some dude was trying to sell one in nederland a lil over a year ago. he may still have it.

[_Brad]

there is one parked by that bail bonds place that was former scca certified for 1200 iirc as of a few weeks ago.

i still say e36 325i hell even e30

[campos]

there is one parked by that bail bonds place that was former scca certified for 1200 iirc as of a few weeks ago.

i still say e36 325i hell even e30

yeah, i've looked at it a couple times, he wants too much for it, and it has ALOT of rust....

[_Brad]

yeah, i've looked at it a couple times, he wants too much for it, and it has ALOT of rust....

mmm sad to see something like that.

[campos]

mmm sad to see something like that.

werd.

i wanted that car bad, but he wont come off the price, the makuni carbs make it a "gold" mine.....:rotfl:

[_Brad]

werd.

i wanted that car bad, but he wont come off the price, the makuni carbs make it a "gold" mine.....:rotfl:

indeed lol

[GODZILLA]

yeah saw that datsun it would take some work to get it back to tip top shape

[GODZILLA]

I am not sure what this means, but ummm, there are so many aftermarket mods for a neon it is redonkulus. The mods are available you just have to know what you are looking for. You wouldn't have to do a swap.

but the regular neon still sucks i mean a srt4 can be cool because of the well built motor but a regular neon :thumbsdown:

[DeViouS Tuning]

but the regular neon still sucks i mean a srt4 can be cool because of the well built motor but a regular neon :thumbsdown:

Whatever you say buddy:rolleyes:

[DeViouS Tuning]

but the regular neon still sucks i mean a srt4 can be cool because of the well built motor but a regular neon :thumbsdown:

Your right man...a neon is just a neon


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TMkHmDqiHs

[GODZILLA]

Your right man...a neon is just a neon


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TMkHmDqiHs

ok we are not talking straight line here and there are alot of better and more stylish cars for track use than a neon especially a non srt4 one ok i have much respect for the srt4 neon but a regular one is just not appealing

[DeViouS Tuning]

ok we are not talking straight line here and there are alot of better and more stylish cars for track...but a regular one is just not appealing

I didn't know that we weren't talking straight line track

I also didn't know that a track car had to be appealing or stylish, but hey thats just my .02 cents

[GODZILLA]

I didn't know that we weren't talking track

I also didn't know that a track car had to be appealing or stylish, but hey thats just my .02 cents

whatever you think

[GODZILLA]

what is your fascination with a neon do you own one or something

[Matticus]

what is your fascination with a neon do you own one or something

:rotfl:

[campos]

what is your fascination with a neon do you own one or something

:slap:


face it, neons suck balls, with the same money put into them they would never be as good around a road course, PERIOD

[mikesrex]

I'd say we need to find a car that has the following:

1. A cheap, easy method of tuning
2. plenty of parts available for cheap
3. stock motor that is rock solid, dependable and makes decent power.
4. suspension available for cheap.
5. lightweight
6. oh yeah, a car that is cheap

what could we find that has all of these properties?

[_Brad]

I'd say we need to find a car that has the following:

1. A cheap, easy method of tuning
2. plenty of parts available for cheap
3. stock motor that is rock solid, dependable and makes decent power.
4. suspension available for cheap.
5. lightweight
6. oh yeah, a car that is cheap

what could we find that has all of these properties?

sounds like 1st gen dsm to me lol. except for #3 so i guess that would give the flag to honders

[campos]

I'd say we need to find a car that has the following:

1. A cheap, easy method of tuning
2. plenty of parts available for cheap
3. stock motor that is rock solid, dependable and makes decent power.
4. suspension available for cheap.
5. lightweight
6. oh yeah, a car that is cheap

what could we find that has all of these properties?



Define cheap, under $5k, under $10k?

A 98/99 z28/ss can be had for about $5500 or less and could be gutted down to about 2600lbs, plenty of power stock, we know people who can tune it, just not too sure about the suspension because of the solid rear axle....

A 94 under 240sx can be had for under $2500, can weigh about 2400 lbs or lower, ok power stock, independent rear suspension and in na form really dont need a tune....

[Matticus]

sounds like 1st gen dsm to me lol. except for #3 so i guess that would give the flag to honders

Whats wrong with 1st gen dsm motors? Not enough power stock? . . . . lost

[_Brad]

Whats wrong with 1st gen dsm motors? Not enough power stock? . . . . lost

no, he said rock solid and reliable. they can be both but most you run across arnt in top shape. not to mention i dont think rebuilding a motor before driving the car is in the cards for this thread.

[GODZILLA]

:slap:


face it, neons suck balls, with the same money put into them they would never be as good around a road course, PERIOD

exactly well put

[anonymous]

a 510 would be badass. i remember some dude was trying to sell one in nederland a lil over a year ago. he may still have it.
He wants $1000. He doesn't know if it still runs and it is rusted to all hell. I wanted it at one point in time, that was until I had a closer look at it.


SR20 datsun 510
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Cars-Trucks___Datsun-510-SR20det-Show-Quality_W0QQitemZ220318478147QQddnZCarsQ20Q26Q20Tr ucksQQddiZ2282QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?ha sh=item220318478147&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A727|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318

[redbull]

Any $500 car and you can go racing www.24hoursoflemons.com

HOUSTON GATOR-O-RAMA
Date: February 28-March 1, 2009
Track: MSR Houston, Angleton TX
Entry Deadline: Ten weeks before the race (20 December 2008)
Late Entries: Considered case-by-case, space permitting

If anyone want to get a team going. Im in.

qGZ8bQz3wJY

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v350/171/113/38700861/n38700861_33665230_9634.jpg

just dont piss to many people off while driving and this wont happen
http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v350/171/113/38700861/n38700861_33665241_2496.jpg

[Mark]

Any $500 car and you can go racing www.24hoursoflemons.com (http://www.24hoursoflemons.com)

HOUSTON GATOR-O-RAMA
Date: February 28-March 1, 2009
Track: MSR Houston, Angleton TX
Entry Deadline: Ten weeks before the race (20 December 2008)
Late Entries: Considered case-by-case, space permitting

If anyone want to get a team going. Im in.

qGZ8bQz3wJY

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v350/171/113/38700861/n38700861_33665230_9634.jpg

just dont piss to many people off while driving and this wont happen
http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v350/171/113/38700861/n38700861_33665241_2496.jpg


USimports.org needs to get a team together! That would be awesome!!!

[redbull]

The 20th is the dead line for sign up, so we have to find a car and a team of at least 5-6 people. the more people the cheaper it will be but the trade off is less time in the car if runs the whole time.

[bubblescivic]

USimports.org needs to get a team together! That would be awesome!!!

mike's crx pre-mod would've probably made a good car to start this race off with.

[Mark]

mike's crx pre-mod would've probably made a good car to start this race off with.


was it running for under $500?

[mikesrex]

was it running for under $500?

i paid 500 for it and drove it home under its own power.

[Mark]

that would be bad ass to have for this!

[mikesrex]

that would be bad ass to have for this!

it's not a $500 car anymore, though. the D series was scrapped for a lil B

[bubblescivic]

an s13 would be a good car as well.

[chaser]

I personally think a rear-drive is the best choice (well... funnest at least) and the second factor would be weight. So that leaves us the wonderfull Miata. Granted their not a rocket off the showroom / used lot, but they are a well built car that can hold its own.

I'm still a big fan of the MR2 and MRS, but I guess I am a little biased... The MRS is probablly the lightest car you can get thats RWD. its about 400-500Lbs LESS than a Miata in stock form, and since its mid engine, it will handle better.

The 1st gen DSM is a good choice if u get the AWD turbo models. But those are heavy...

I would say either Miata or MR2/MRS...

[redbull]

MRS with a 2zz all day long

[chaser]

MRS with a 2zz all day long


F that. MRS with K20..... Little more money, lot better engine. If I can ever talk my wife into letting me get another MRS it will be K20 powered.

[redbull]

sure k20 would be nice but I only know of the swap being done once. you could build and turbo the 2zz for the price of just the K swap.

[chaser]

The swap has been done several times now. I know the first one was at that car show and they said they could do it for $25K drive out. But there's a guy who had Paradise Blue MRS and he did the K20 swap and has a little over 300 at the ground and he only invested a little over $7K for the swap and mode. The 2ZZ swap for stock engine and labor runs an even $5K for Little Rocket to do it, and that's only around 210 at the crank, add the custom built one off turbo and you've got 300ish at the ground for another $3k (at least) and now your maxed out and even with a slightly modded K20 and you've spent a grand more.

Besides, even with extensive work I don't think anyone has gotten a reliable 2ZZ head to flow as well as a stock K20......

[redbull]

I just don’t see that happing. 8k-10k for MRS plus 5 for the motor that only leaves you 2k for all you custom mounts and wiring harness, intake, exhaust and so on. I see that going on up another 3k easy.

Now for the 2zz add 2500 for LR bomb-proof built motor and swap comes out too 7500, Smaays “big boy” turbo kit capable of 600hp $3800

Now you are looking at k20(let it be know I don’t know shit about Honda)with what you said 300hp on the ground. Where the 2zz with a 1300 more in it can puts down up too 600hp.

Boosted flowed a 2zz head(with some work) better then a k20 did

[chaser]

P1ccolo on spyderchat did the K20 swap for $7K for everything. That's motor, tranny, mounts, ecu, wiring it in, intake, exhaust, everything for $7,000. And he's got 300 (+/-) at the ground and should run the 1/4 mile in 12.XX.

I'm not aware of the Smaays turbo kit. Is that for the MRS with 2ZZ swap? Or is that for the MRS with 1ZZ? Or is that for the Celica? Cause I don't know of any kits for a 2ZZ MRS.

And other than LR doing the swap, most people spend roughly $6k to $7k, which puts you in the ball park of the K20, which is a better motor with better potential. You can also up the displacement of the motor to a 2.4 liter with ease. That's actually what the first swap was, a K24 not a K20.

Don't get me wrong, I'd be happy as a midget at a mini skirt contest with either motor in a MRS, the 2ZZ is probablly a lot easier to locate and install due to electrical/ wiring issues. But the K20 is just a better motor.